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Re: Bootstrap template

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jeremiah Menetrey <jeremiah menetrey adnovum ch> wrote:
> Hello,
> I am using an openshift origin cluster and defined a few dozen objects grouped in several yaml files.
> Now I would like to "package" them into a single template such that everything can be bootstrapped from scratch in as few steps as possible from the GUI catalog, but I also want to avoid having to maintain manually a separate template with all the objects I already defined.
> My current solution is to use `oc export --as-template` to wrap all my objects into a single template, and then I still have to massage the result a bit: since some of my original objects are templates themselves, if I just create a new application from the generated template the "nested templates" will be created effectively as templates, and I would need more steps and clicks through the GUI to deploy those.
> So I wrote a `flatten` script that, given the template generated by `oc export`, promotes all nested templates one level up (if an object is a template, take its parameters and objects, and append them to the top-level template's, the nested template is then dropped).
> So in order to create a "bootstrapping" template in the project, I could do something like:
>    oc export --as-template=bootstrap -f objects/ | flatten.py | oc annotate -f - ... | oc create -f -
> I could also pipe the output of `flatten.py` to `oc process` in order to create all the objects directly (assuming that I'm also specifying the templates' parameters).
> This works well for my specific case, but it doesn't really seem right. So:
> - How is this kind of situation usually managed?

I see a lot of people doing simply scripting over directories of
content, processing everything in them (if they are templates), or
using an alternate templating solution (envsubst works pretty well
against openshift templates!).  The more config you manage, the more
likely you want some standard conventions and predictable application
of those.  That doesn't help your UI case, though.

The sweet spot of templates is 2-10 objects - a discrete unit of
function you want to repeatedly deploy with some parameterizarion.
The more you add, the more likely you want a more sophisticated
templating language and then there are many options (Ansible, helm, Go
templates, direct jinja, jsonnet or the newer ksonnet).  I will note
that what you've described sounds a bit like other forms of static
generation (creating a final template from many parts) and there are
lots of tools to do that

Oc process *should* support reading from directories, if you wanted to
be opinionated about how those directories were structured so as to
have templates in one place and apps in another.

> - Does openshift itself provide a way (or guidelines on how) to manage objects/configurations? otherwise what are some usual solutions to this issue? (note: the question is about whole platforms hosted on openshift, with a few dozens of interacting services)

It is very common to layer config systems over openshift - we (today)
are trying to be a really effective target for those systems (with
ensuring apply works well, making it easier to do cert injection or
use reencrypt routes with default destination CAs), and many different
workflows can work well on top.

> - Would a "flatten" feature be a useful companion to `oc export --as-template`? Or why wouldn't it be?

It might be better suited to "process", which could conceivably allow
better bulk processing of templates.  Definitely open to feedback and
ways of simplifying working with sets of templates.

> - Alternatively, is there a way to reference other templates from a template, such that the GUI catalog allows to display, configure and deploy a set of templates at once? (the presentation factor is kind of important in my project)

Technically templates will be able to contain service bindings in a
few releases, which let you potentially reference them that way.  The
template broker will be able to instantiate templates you offer.  Only
alpha in 3.6 though.

> Thanks,
> Jeremiah
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